Liz ([info]despotliz) wrote,
@ 2008-04-16 11:19:00
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Clarke Poll!
I like polls! Here is one about the Clarke Awards.

Poll #1171955 The Clarke Awards
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

What should win?

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The Red Men, Matthew de Abaitua
0 (0.0%)

The H-Bomb Girl, Stephen Baxter
6 (23.1%)

The Carhullan Army, Sarah Hall
3 (11.5%)

The Raw Shark Texts, Steven Hall
0 (0.0%)

The Execution Channel, Ken MacLeod
10 (38.5%)

Black Man, Richard Morgan
7 (26.9%)

What will win?

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The Red Men, Matthew de Abaitua
0 (0.0%)

The H-Bomb Girl, Stephen Baxter
7 (25.9%)

The Carhullan Army, Sarah Hall
7 (25.9%)

The Raw Shark Texts, Steven Hall
4 (14.8%)

The Execution Channel, Ken MacLeod
3 (11.1%)

Black Man, Richard Morgan
6 (22.2%)

The shortlist?

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GOOD
15 (55.6%)

BAD
12 (44.4%)

PIck your shortlist (six books from the books submitted)

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The Red Men, Matthew de Abaitua
0 (0.0%)

Harm, Brian Aldiss
0 (0.0%)

Metal Swarm, Kevin J Anderson
0 (0.0%)

Hilldiggers, Neal Asher
0 (0.0%)

Prador Moon, Neal Asher
0 (0.0%)

Lint, Steve Aylett
1 (3.6%)

Divergence, Tony Ballantyne
1 (3.6%)

Sharp Teeth, Toby Barlow
1 (3.6%)

Conqueror, Stephen Baxter
1 (3.6%)

The H Bomb Girl, Stephen Baxter
12 (42.9%)

Navigator, Stephen Baxter
0 (0.0%)

The Wanderer’s Tale, David Bilsborough
0 (0.0%)

Helix, Eric Brown
0 (0.0%)

The Yiddish Policeman’s Union, Michael Chabon
16 (57.1%)

I Remember Pallahaxi, Michael Coney
1 (3.6%)

The Pesthouse, Jim Crace
2 (7.1%)

God is Dead, Ron Currie, Jr.
0 (0.0%)

Ink, Hal Duncan
6 (21.4%)

Stealing Light, Gary Gibson
0 (0.0%)

Spook Country, William Gibson
4 (14.3%)

Death’s Head, David Gunn
1 (3.6%)

The Dreaming Void, Peter F Hamilton
1 (3.6%)

The Carhullan Army, Sarah Hall
14 (50.0%)

The Raw Shark Texts, Steven Hall
2 (7.1%)

The President's Last Love, Andrey Kurkov
0 (0.0%)

The Day Watch, Sergei Lukyanenko
3 (10.7%)

The Twilight Watch, Sergei Lukyanenko
0 (0.0%)

The Execution Channel, Ken Macleod
14 (50.0%)

Hunter’s Run, George RR Martin, Gardner Dozois, and Daniel Abraham
1 (3.6%)

Cowboy Angels, Paul McAuley
7 (25.0%)

Acorna's Children, Anne McCaffrey and Elizabeth Anne Scarborough
0 (0.0%)

Brasyl, Ian McDonald
24 (85.7%)

Bone Song, John Meaney
0 (0.0%)

Ascent, Jed Mercurio
1 (3.6%)

Black Man, Richard Morgan
14 (50.0%)

Dark Space, Marianne de Pierres
0 (0.0%)

The Prefect, Alastair Reynolds
6 (21.4%)

Land of the Headless, Adam Roberts
1 (3.6%)

Splinter, Adam Roberts
0 (0.0%)

Sixty Days and Counting, Kim Stanley Robinson
5 (17.9%)

Selling Out, Justina Robson
1 (3.6%)

Bad Monkeys, Matt Ruff
0 (0.0%)

Everfree, Nick Sagan
0 (0.0%)

Old Man’s War, John Scalzi
3 (10.7%)

Resistance, Owen Sheers
4 (14.3%)

The Liberty Gun, Martin Sketchley
0 (0.0%)

The Electric Church, Jeff Somers
0 (0.0%)

Spindrift, Allen Steele
0 (0.0%)

Glasshouse, Charlie Stross
3 (10.7%)

Sound Mind, Tricia Sullivan
0 (0.0%)

The End of Mr Y, Scarlett Thomas
1 (3.6%)

Rainbows End, Vernor Vinge
2 (7.1%)

Bloodmind, Liz Williams
3 (10.7%)

Saturn Returns, Sean Williams
0 (0.0%)

The Fade, Chris Wooding
0 (0.0%)



Feel free to use the comments to justify your choices, complain about books not on the lists, moan about the lack of GOOD or BAD, ask what on earth the Clarke awards are, start entertaining slapfights, demand clarification of poll uncertainties, etc.


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[info]swisstone
2008-04-16 10:26 am UTC (link)
You should have an extra poll for "Out of your personal shortlist, what do you think should have won?"

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[info]purplecthulhu
2008-04-16 10:29 am UTC (link)
I actually think the shortlist is good *and* bad, but you didn't allow that choice.

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[info]swisstone
2008-04-16 10:33 am UTC (link)
You know your personal shortlist has eight books on it, don't you?

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[info]purplecthulhu
2008-04-16 10:37 am UTC (link)
Rules schmoolz!

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[info]despotliz
2008-04-16 01:24 pm UTC (link)
I shall be randomly disallowing two of your choices then :-p

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[info]pigeonhed
2008-04-18 11:49 am UTC (link)
The very first ACCA shortlist had eight items, as did the notorious MArge Piercy shortlist. One of the critics of the latter list being too long was one of the judges for the former.

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[info]despotliz
2008-04-16 10:40 am UTC (link)
You appear to have missed the point of GOOD or BAD.

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[info]purplecthulhu
2008-04-16 10:43 am UTC (link)
I gave them the benefit of the doubt and said good, but that doesn't stop me whinging in comments, as I thought that's what you wanted...

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[info]grahamsleight
2008-04-16 11:25 am UTC (link)
That's pretty much where I'm coming from, too. Curse this poll oppression!

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[info]quasi_hayley
2008-04-16 10:46 am UTC (link)
I haven't read any. :-(

This makes me want to go and buy some of them but I have no money and Buxton's library sucks. Bugger.

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[info]ladymoonray
2008-04-16 10:49 am UTC (link)
I'm more surprised that The Prefect isn't on the shortlist than I am that Brasyl isn't. And that's a lot of surprise.

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[info]ninebelow
2008-04-16 10:53 am UTC (link)
Hooray! Liz you are a star.

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[info]aardvark179
2008-04-16 10:57 am UTC (link)
The list is GOOD because it's made me go and buy some books I might not otherwise have done, but since I haven't read the complete short list I can't say what should win.

Of my own personal short list I think Ink would win, but with some reservation as I'm not sure it stands on it's own without Vellum, and it winning might well cause [info]fivemack's head to explode which would be terribly messy if nothing else.

I have to say looking down that submitted books does make me a feel a little about the genre, there are lots of okay books on there (though not all to my taste), but there's only just a short list's worth of great books on there.

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[info]lamentables
2008-04-16 11:13 am UTC (link)
Pls to be noting: I have not read all of the books on my shortlist.

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[info]despotliz
2008-04-16 11:16 am UTC (link)
One or other of the Lukyanenkos would be on my shortlist if I weren't being strict about picking only things I think are SF.

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[info]ninebelow
2008-04-16 11:38 am UTC (link)
Of course not!

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[info]ninebelow
2008-04-16 11:28 am UTC (link)
I'm amazed people seem to think The H-Bomb Girl is a lock.

I'd be happy to see either The Carhullan Army or Black Man win. The later has more flaws but I'm surprised only one person thinks it will win. The Red Men is interesting but muddled and The Execution Channel is exciting but stupid. Not read the other two and don't have any desire to either.

I also notice that [info]talavin says the shortlist is BAD but has choosen 50% of the book on it for his own list. Hmm.

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[info]aardvark179
2008-04-16 11:36 am UTC (link)
I think saying the short list is bad and choosing half the books for your own is an entirely reasonable position, assuming you believe it omitted some essential books while including others that you wouldn't give house room to.

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[info]ninebelow
2008-04-16 12:50 pm UTC (link)
Fair enough.

However [info]grahamsleight thinks Black Man should win but has not included it on his shortlist, a shortlist which does include The H Bomb Girl, The Carhullan Army and The Execution Channel. Explain that, G Sleigh, if you can.

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[info]grahamsleight
2008-04-16 03:39 pm UTC (link)
Cos I clicked the wrong button first time round. Now fixed.

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[info]gummitch
2008-04-16 12:28 pm UTC (link)
I'm amazed people seem to think The H-Bomb Girl is a lock

It can't be a lock, because Stephen Baxter never, ever wins the Clarke Award.

Edited at 2008-04-16 12:29 pm UTC

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[info]abigail_n
2008-04-16 06:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm amazed people seem to think The H-Bomb Girl is a lock.

I'd be happy to see either The Carhullan Army or Black Man win.


I resemble both these comments, and most especially the first.

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[info]abrinsky
2008-04-16 05:19 pm UTC (link)
I would so like to fill this in!

Alas, better not...

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[info]jamesb
2008-04-16 06:53 pm UTC (link)
So is there a big difference between both short lists?

james

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[info]despotliz
2008-04-18 09:20 pm UTC (link)
Current consensus poll shortlist: The H Bomb Girl, The Yiddish Policeman's Union, The Execution Channel, The Carhullan Army, Brasyl, Black Man. So only two books are different between the poll choice and the actual shortlist.

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[info]jamesb
2008-04-20 11:29 am UTC (link)
I see, you must point me to where both full long lists are, as I would like to see how many books are on one and NOT the other.

at some time, i am sure its about here somewhere...

J

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[info]despotliz
2008-04-20 12:46 pm UTC (link)
I am confused - what other long list? The list I have up there is, I believe, all the books submitted to the Clarke this year.

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